tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post7222628008076151903..comments2023-11-05T05:28:34.444-07:00Comments on Voice of Reason: Reflect on thisNemesishttp://www.blogger.com/profile/00110470182822628791noreply@blogger.comBlogger39125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-5346350526508938872012-04-03T12:53:43.061-06:002012-04-03T12:53:43.061-06:00Ha! I like Liz's strategy - lower your expecta...Ha! I like Liz's strategy - lower your expectations. Personally, I've sort of given up on containing my toddler during church. We are in a super small branch and have no nursery, so during Sunday School, if my 19 month old chooses to go up to the front of the classroom and help the instructor by writing on the chalkboard, I let her. If people get too annoyed by it, maybe they'll volunteer to be the nursery leader! <br /><br />During 3rd hour, my husband and I both teach, so again, the child gets to do as she pleases, running back and forth between our classes, drawing on the board, or playing with the ipad. It's kind of a circus, but I've decided it's cruel (not to mention impossible) to force a lone toddler to be still and quiet for 3 hours. Just not gonna happen.Jennhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17337939211349242608noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-26467830385534089362012-03-30T13:53:56.665-06:002012-03-30T13:53:56.665-06:00I thought we had left the days of stomping up and ...I thought we had left the days of stomping up and down the halls, throwing things and tearing pages out of the hymnals behind us. And don't forget army crawling under the pews to find a random strangers purse and search it for mints. But then we had another baby. We're crazy. <br /><br />There were a lot of good comments on here. Get organized. GH needs Sunday responsibilities. Lower expectations (if TDL goes to church in footed pajamas, who cares!?) One thing I've found though is that Heavenly Father isn't going to leave you out, just because you're doing your best to take care of your kids. If you can calm down and focus on the good, His voice is there for you. Maybe it will be in the 5 minutes of the talk you listen to while TDL is slurping down a bottle of juice. Maybe it's when you share a conversation with someone else wandering the halls during Sunday school. Or it will be a talk from a completely different ward, heard over the speakers in the mother's room as you change a diaper. It may not be the spiritual feast that Sacrament can be for others, but at least you get a little snack. <br /><br />and when AzĂșcar said "Jesus is my homie" it totally made my day.jerihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05334193146809678214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-45783812564352380672012-03-28T19:38:39.157-06:002012-03-28T19:38:39.157-06:00From the time your kid can walk until he goes into...From the time your kid can walk until he goes into the nursery, it's a wash--worse if you have a Primary calling. I taught Primary when my first was 8 months old and my husband thought it would be more fun to spend the ENTIRE WEEKEND two or three times a month, six months a year, at Civil War re-enactments. I decided to keep my mouth shut about that, but it left me holding a baby and trying to teach a lesson to a group of 5-year-olds. <br /><br />I finally asked for, and got, a release. <br /><br />Let TDL roam around the halls during Sacrament meeting, then when he is 2, start taking him out, but go into a completely boring room and hold him in your lap facing away from you. You don't want to pay off his fussiness with fun time. Let him know he can go back in when he's ready to behave. Find a room with speakers and listen to the talks. I promise this works. But the next several years will be given over to wrangling kids more than listening to the speakers in Sacrament meeting. It's ok. This, too, will pass.Cari Clarknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-82367077841551379152012-03-27T23:01:41.104-06:002012-03-27T23:01:41.104-06:00No one has mentioned the hell that exists when sac...No one has mentioned the hell that exists when sacrament meeting is scheduled last...and small children have already lived through two classes before being asked to be still and quiet.<br /><br />Also, I add my voice to those who have mentioned asking for a different calling than Sunbeam teacher while dealing with a small child. Been there, done that. Primary was tolerable while teaching the seven year olds and dealing with a toddler during that last hour of sacrament meeting. Teaching sunbeams for two hours and then dealing with a toddler, while being a stay-at-home mom with postpartum depression? Not possible. Life was so much nicer after I spoke with our bishop and got called to teach the gospel essentials class instead. Then teaching = actual adult conversation with no interruptions. <br /><br />Also remember that others aren't always judgmental of your toddler. He may seem like a demon to you while looking adorable to some. And sometimes having little ones even creates opportunities. We had one friendship grow with an older childless couple who loved to sit behind us so my kids could crawl under the pew and visit them. They got spontaneous gestures of affection; my kids got novel crayons, stickers, and someone whose patience wasn't worn down by constant exposure to them. I learned that my rigid rules needed softening and that I needed to encourage those interactions--that my little ones were bestowing a valuable gift in their love and friendship.<br /><br />This is harder to do in a larger ward--the one we are currently in is gargantuan and finding and developing such relationships is difficult, especially when sitting inside the chapel requires arriving 15 minutes early. But posting about past experiences is encouraging me to try and replicate the previous pattern. There must be someone in our immense ward who would love to sit near our affectionate monkeys and share in their friendliness.Cathynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-39738610442789930402012-03-27T20:27:49.965-06:002012-03-27T20:27:49.965-06:00I remember the moment when I realized that church ...I remember the moment when I realized that church was totally different now. It wasn't my first kid, but having a toddler and a baby that clued me in. I was sitting in the pew, with madness going on around me, and I couldn't hear the high priest and I knew; I wasn't going to be able to listen to the talks anymore. It was the profound experience of letting go of listening and learning in Sacrament Meeting. <br /><br />Now I know that we're there to start the habit of going to church with the kids. If I learn something, great! If I hear 1 minute of a talk and don't roll my eyes, great! But I'm pretty much outta luck for the next few years. <br /><br />(For a while, DH would sit on the end and not help with the kids at all. One Sunday he had THE NERVE to tell me to control them. Oh, I LOST IT. Soon after that incident I was called to be the ward chorister and he had to deal with them all by himself, because Jesus is my homie.)<br /> <br />These days it's not so bad, with an 8, almost 5 and a baby. The older two are content to draw. There are no snacks. Like someone else said, we stopped allowing toys when they turned 3, choosing quieter items instead. We have a church bag. I try to get all the clothes out the night before. If we're late, I don't sweat it. We even have 1pm church this year and I LOVE IT. The baby's big nap is in the morning and the older kids don't need one. If things are really bad, I can take the baby home.<br /><br />I DO NOT COOK ON SUNDAYS. That is my day off. We will go eat at Nana's house, we will rummage, and there is cold cereal.<br /><br />Suffer the little ones to come unto me. The children are there for a reason. We're doing everything awesome just being there.Carinahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13859567470814286102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-33559525999364277242012-03-27T17:21:54.398-06:002012-03-27T17:21:54.398-06:00Thanks so much for this and for the comments. Sun...Thanks so much for this and for the comments. Sunday had me in tears as I left church to take the demons home. The idea that I am now doing this to make it a habit for my children, not to get ANYTHING EVER AGAIN for myself? I can totally embrace that.La Yenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15044092297673361855noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-2112906078045015762012-03-27T13:59:49.809-06:002012-03-27T13:59:49.809-06:00It's the secret no one tells you. "Get m...It's the secret no one tells you. "Get married" they say, "Have KIDS" they say, "It's the greatest blessing!" they say.<br /><br />What they DON'T say is that church will immediately suck the MOMENT the baby learns to crawl.<br /><br />At that moment, the parents become a rodeo clown, there only to keep the kids from distracting (or impaling) everyone else.<br /><br />When I was 19, 20, and carefree and single, I JUDGED my parents for not going to conference when we were kids. Now I understand, and fully intend to stay home next week. We can listen on the internet, or I can just read it online.MJhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12118706847956725360noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-78850972980335775742012-03-27T13:32:38.488-06:002012-03-27T13:32:38.488-06:00Not that I can add anything to the discussion, bec...Not that I can add anything to the discussion, because I think most everything has been covered. Ours were: Sunday-only bag ready the night before, limited toys, no snacks or severely limited depending on the age of the child and the church time, no running or playing in the foyer if taken out and our being ready for church at least 30 minutes early, so that if there were issues, they were the only issues. Trust me, you can do it, even if church is at 9:00!<br /><br />My boys are pre-teen and teenager now. And there were many Sundays where my husband and/or I each spent the day walking the hallways with a child. It was so tempting to not even go if we were going to be in the hallway the whole time. And, honestly, while my husband was in school and it was sometimes just me at church, there were some Sunday's when I left after Sacrament meeting because I couldn't handle it anymore. <br /><br />I had a wise bishop who told us of an experience he and his wife had where they each passed the other in the church hallway, each carrying a crying child. They looked at each other and wondered, why are we even here? And then the answer came, that they were there out of obedience. This was their season to teach their children the importance of going to church and learning to be reverent. <br /><br />I've thought a lot about that over the years as I have learned, once again, about seasons. When my children were tiny, that was my season to be an example of obedience and to teach them about the importance of going to church and being reverent. (We never stop being that example, but it's different now, than when they were babies.) <br /><br />I also realized that I had a lot of years of singles wards and good meetings and lessons that I could draw on and I knew that I would once again be able to feel the spirit and enjoy a Sacrament meeting. Those years of baby/toddler church hell, were just a period of time, not the way it was going to be forever, and your children really do learn how to be reverent if you make an effort to actually teach it and not simply survive it.<br /><br />It does get better and it is worth it.Holly (2 Kids and Tired)https://www.blogger.com/profile/13075380878850295214noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-45599666642323260072012-03-27T09:44:21.957-06:002012-03-27T09:44:21.957-06:00MAN these are great comments. And really, it's...MAN these are great comments. And really, it's helpful just to know that I'm not the only one out there who hates Sundays. :-)Nemesishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00553415531355924860noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-31635885905428029102012-03-27T08:06:15.395-06:002012-03-27T08:06:15.395-06:00Oooh, you made me laugh out loud with "I'...Oooh, you made me laugh out loud with "I'd rather clean the place where the toilet meets the floor with my tongue" because it is so true! I definitely showed up an hour late to church in the early days when naps were vital.<br /> Ditto to everything that was said about getting ready on Saturday and ditching fancy Sunday dinners. And I love Amyjane's dream. Bliss.<br /> And Christian, that was definitely my parents' method and there is possibly one time in my memory of growing up with nine siblings that anyone got taken out of the chapel. It works.<br /> Carry on Nem, it does get better!Brittneyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12640480037195597603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-35341615121348506222012-03-27T05:31:48.208-06:002012-03-27T05:31:48.208-06:00I also loved reading the comments. I love your rea...I also loved reading the comments. I love your readers, Nem. I always get great ideas and insight from both you and your readers.Bebe McGoochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498273486476170108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-72794435341180205982012-03-27T00:39:03.618-06:002012-03-27T00:39:03.618-06:00I'm pretty sure we moms get extra blessings ju...I'm pretty sure we moms get extra blessings just for showing up church each week. At least I'm banking on that because I don't get much else out of it. I've loved reading all these comments and reconfirming to myself that I'm not the only one who deals with these things!Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16878531533297640280noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-67410766539443392392012-03-26T17:34:24.337-06:002012-03-26T17:34:24.337-06:00The one piece of advice I have to offer has alread...The one piece of advice I have to offer has already been mentioned, but I'll offer a variation that worked well for my mom and is working for my sister. When Voldy leaves thechapel, he does not get to run around. Since it's a punishment, it has to be more entertaining to behave inside the chapel. If possible, and I realize it's difficult with how overloaded chapels are anymore, instead of taking him to the foyer where there still might be people and things to occupy his attention, take him to an empty room, pull out a chair, and set him on your lap staring at a blank, white wall. He will quickly learn that it is more entertaining to watch other people quietly than it is to watch a blank wall.Christianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02954160939175918093noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-72144325984575749042012-03-26T15:18:33.881-06:002012-03-26T15:18:33.881-06:00I forgot to tell you about my recurring dream. I r...I forgot to tell you about my recurring dream. I regularly dream that I am at church with a screaming overtired baby in the hallway and suddenly I spy a door I've neve seen before. It turns out to be a room of requirement filled with small rooms with nicely equipped cribs and fantastic video baby monitors. And then I weep with joy because church is now saved.AmyJanehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02110725642243839603noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-81331950744779687472012-03-26T11:38:10.896-06:002012-03-26T11:38:10.896-06:00I never thought I would ever look forward to Monda...I never thought I would ever look forward to Mondays. But now I do. Sundays are my hardest days. Saturdays can be hard too, since we have too much going on on Saturdays, it messes with our schedule. So I no longer look forward to the weekends. <br /><br />Luckily, my calling doesn't require me to do anything on Sundays, so if Charlie gets a little nap in before church, we will just hang out in nursery. If he doesn't get a nap, all bets are off, and it's a miracle if we even bother staying after Sacrament meeting.<br /><br />So I hear you, sister. I hear you. Absolutely ecstatic for General Conference. Which on a side note, reminds me how much I love the RS podcast. Maybe you've already blogged about that, but I love listening to it in the car and on walks. It's a huge highlight of my month.Bebe McGoochhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14498273486476170108noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-13441764576005659182012-03-26T09:07:21.082-06:002012-03-26T09:07:21.082-06:00Hang in there, girl. It really will get better, b...Hang in there, girl. It really will get better, but I too fall prey (probably too often) of the before church grouchy behavior. A lot of people have great suggestions. Here is what *helps* for me (saying "helps" because we still roll in late sometimes, spend time in the foyer, look frazzled, and have tired children): <br /><br />1. My husband leaves for meetings before church so I am responsible for getting the three wee ones ready. I shower the night before and lay out clothes for ALL of us the night before. <br /><br />2. I have a separate church bag with diapers, books, my lesson manual, and snacks. I try really hard (again, in a perfect world) to restock things the night before. <br /><br />3. We do baths for the kids the night before as well. This works great if the bebe doesn't have a blow out that requires another bath. <br /><br />4. I use the crock pot nearly every Sunday. Either that or something VERY simple--like spaghetti, using the grill, or pancakes. I've decided that while I love a good Sunday dinner, no great meal is worth snarling my head off about it (which I've totally done). My hubby helps with the crock pot a lot. He cuts up veggies, seasons roasts, things like that...<br /><br />Anyway, these are just a few things that help us. We spent a good deal of time in the foyer yesterday during sacrament because the baby was SO tired and sometimes that just can't be helped at church. She finally fell asleep during the third hour. Eeek. I honestly just have to take those deep breaths, realize that life with young kids is very challenging, and say some prayers to help remind me of how much I love those munchkins.emandtrevhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17496021016172870242noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-84688516799668602432012-03-26T00:05:19.506-06:002012-03-26T00:05:19.506-06:00I visited an LDS meeting a while ago, and although...I visited an LDS meeting a while ago, and although I loved, loved how the kids stay with the parents during the sacrament meeting, our habit of putting them in nursery does have its upsides! Feeling for you here.Saskiahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01755939813142593233noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-91825671240258893852012-03-25T23:20:48.952-06:002012-03-25T23:20:48.952-06:00I'm going to second and third a lot of things ...I'm going to second and third a lot of things that people are already saying. <br /><br />1-Get everything ready the night before. I mean EVERYTHING, down to the last sock and, if you can, dinner that you can put in the fridge until it's time to cook.<br /><br />2-Keep a Sunday bag that you use ONLY on Sunday. You can make sure to refill it with diapers, etc throughout the week and rotate your stuff every so often again, during the week. Use this instead of the diaper bag on Sunday. Just toss your wallet, keys etc in there and call it good.<br /><br />3-If you notice that some things make TDL more difficult at church, stop bringing them. For my kids, it's toys. So, we let them bring books, coloring books, magnet things. But NEVER toys of any kind.<br /><br />4-Have certain things that GH is ALWAYS in charge of. With us, the hubby's in meetings all morning so his list is not too long. He's in charge of hair and teeth for the boys, making sure the bag is ready, and getting the kids in the car. He knows to do these things and I know I have fewer things to stress over.<br /><br />5-Try and see it from TDL's perspective. He is forced to sit quietly in a boring room with nothing to do and little to look at. There's no room to play or run around and he can't even talk/shout or laugh loudly. Sounds awful for a kid his age! No wonder they prefer the foyer.<br /><br />6-You do have to lower your expectations. Right now, church is not going to be the spiritual haven it may have been. You will get those moments, but it will be here and there. Once they get to about 3-4, it starts to get a bit better. Right now, it's about trying to make the day as positive for TDL as possible. You want him to know that Sunday = church and it isn't a bad thing. You will spend a lot of time in the foyer. That's ok. Just remember that you've had __ years to make church about you and your experience. You've built up a foundation. For now, you need to help TDL start building his.Lindseyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09545292144672358618noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-5228028226063428672012-03-25T22:02:46.155-06:002012-03-25T22:02:46.155-06:00Ok.
Get the church bag with all the crap in it th...Ok. <br />Get the church bag with all the crap in it that you need. Dads should be in charge of this. Also, Dads should generally just be in charge of babies at church and anything that happens on Sunday if they are not in a bishopric or on the high council, in my opinion, regardless (or irregardless if I was TAMN) of how much Baby Voldemort will scream. That's what the parking lot is for. <br /><br />Also, after I was called into the Primary presidency and late church started, I started fasting early enough on Sat that I could end my fast before church on Sunday so I was able to teach sharing time without becoming the Grand High Witch. It's been amazing and I can't recommend it enough. <br /><br />Seriously though. GH and baby Voldy can hang out in the parking lot while you mentally prepare for the other people's children if they need to. <br /><br />ALSO, if you're seriously freaking out maybe you could get reassigned to a primary class with not sunbeams. <br /><br />I wish you were in my ward. Your baby would fit right in with my pew monkeys. Hudson almost got run over by a neighbor on the way to church (my fault),screamed at me to play angry birds during sacrament meeting over and over, kicked a pregnant woman and then threw my phone. And then Ethan broke out into hives and Savannah yelled at Ethan for sitting the wrong way. Yelled. During the sacrament. And I laughed. Because what else was I going to do?Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18045980270615348902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-51089535993023736632012-03-25T22:01:18.578-06:002012-03-25T22:01:18.578-06:00I have always struggled with staying all 3 hours a...I have always struggled with staying all 3 hours at church and then when my little one was born it got so much worse.., and now that I have TWO my attendance is practically nonexistent. I sit in either the mother's lounge or the hallways...but I try to remember, even if I don't get a *darn* thing out of it, at least my girls are seeing me try. That's good enough for now.Charmshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02506068783163813153noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-39627358991881874952012-03-25T21:53:31.109-06:002012-03-25T21:53:31.109-06:00@Janssen She has a brother and SIL in the ward wi...@<a href="#c7466786055938683238" rel="nofollow">Janssen</a> She has a brother and SIL in the ward with no children, but no married sister with no children. Sigh...Jennyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18045980270615348902noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-52017420705640793672012-03-25T21:49:34.191-06:002012-03-25T21:49:34.191-06:00Nursery is the most inspired program of the church...Nursery is the most inspired program of the church, I'm sure of it. But between 12-18 months church sucks.<br /><br />I stayed sane with #2 (who just joined nursery land last week, hallelujah!) by asking to be released from my calling teaching the 14 Sunbeams. There are plenty of other ward members without babies who can teach the classes, I say. Plus, after being in primary for a while, it's <i>really</i> nice to be able to go to RS and feel understood and somewhat uplifted, instead of completely drained from babysitting for 3 hours of church.<br /><br />When I get things ready the night before, things go better. Especially with getting dad involved in the readying of the kids. If I have all clothing laid out, 100% ready and in an obvious location for the daddy, then he can be helpful. If I have to run around looking for a stupid pair of tights or one bleeping Sunday shoe, I feel like going to bar instead of to church.Kristihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18164305839482497161noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-34839655002224895942012-03-25T21:36:44.881-06:002012-03-25T21:36:44.881-06:00Dark Lord is at a REALLY tough age, so it will get...Dark Lord is at a REALLY tough age, so it will get better. But maybe not as quickly as would be nice. Everyone's suggestions are good. Lots of prep the day before, crock-pot meals (maybe even out of the freezer) are also a great idea. I remember my mom actually setting the table for dinner before we left for church so it was all ready to go when we got home. <br /><br />Most of us can commiserate with you. But whatever you do, keep going! Keep trying! It'll get easier to distract him, and he'll find quiet(er) things to do in sacrament meeting as he gets older and realizes it's a weekly thing that he's not getting out of.Desmamahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04799831623274044784noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-79096594072388354202012-03-25T20:46:34.552-06:002012-03-25T20:46:34.552-06:00You need to make your own "Sunday plan of att...You need to make your own "Sunday plan of attack". I had to make mine when we had 5 children in 8 years and my husband we in the bishopbric or on the High Council and I had to get everyone ready and to church on time by myself, plus sit by myself at church and wrestle all of them. My "SPA" was to lay out all clothes the night before, including shoes, sock, and belts. Make sure the diaper bag is packed the night before,and that your lesson is also done well before Sunday morning. Plan a crock pot dinner or something like that and your hubby should be able to throw everything in the pot for you while you get ready, for the love, shower before him if he is a water hog! Also I found it helpful to not let my child take a nap if sacrament meeting was close to nap time unless it couldn't be helped. Then they fall asleep in sacrament meeting. I think the time slot of anything other than 9 am is horrid to bring kids to. At 11 am they are hungry by the time primary rolls around, and at the 1pm slot by the time church starts they are all tired. Also have "special" treats you ONLY use at church. That way the DL will clue in and want to stay in Sacrament meeting, but he only gets them if he is good and lets you stay in the chapel. <br />I have had many people comment on how well behave my kids are in church, it wasn't because of help from my husband. There were many Sundays I just wanted to sit down and cry, by the time I got to church I wanted to just load back up and go home. But I knew I wouldn't be teaching my children what I should. Also, the hall is not their friend! Do not let him get down and walk around and play!! It should be no fun. If it is he will start doing things to go out in the hall to play. I have seen this so many times. Do not make this mistake, or you are finished and he has won, forever! <br />Just so you know, all moms are going thru this war. You will survive, and then have another one only to start all over again, with two. Deep breaths and lots of chocolate, it's the best cure.springrosehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04024229977771280765noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-13684790.post-52819502472095089642012-03-25T19:39:30.822-06:002012-03-25T19:39:30.822-06:00there's been a lot said already--just hope you...there's been a lot said already--just hope you'll be able to catch the vision NOW of what you're setting yourselves up for LATER. I spent MANY Sundays crying at home, wondering WHY I even bothered to go to church with small kids? Just know that it's WORTH the struggle. Eventually, being able to enjoy a reverent pew for the sacrament will be NO problem. Then you'll have other things to fret about. (Then thank GOODNESS you'll have the sacrament to yourself)<br />you are strong.<br />you are brave.<br />you are awesome.<br />Keep on chugging.<br />And thanks for keeping it real.<br />:)Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15616038477865625828noreply@blogger.com